Rick Perry’s God Problem

Rick Perry got me thinking the other day.  He had an encounter with a fourteen year old bisexual girl that went like this:

“This is about my faith, and I happen to think that there are a whole host of sins, homosexuality being one of them,” Perry said, adding that he himself was “a sinner” so he wouldn’t “be the first one to throw a stone”. Reflecting on another question he had received about how he would feel if his own child were gay, Perry said, “I’d feel the same way. I hate the sin but I love the sinner”.

OK, here’s the rub.  Take a look at the first thing Rick said.  “This is about my faith.”  But it’s not. Rick’s running for president as a Christian candidate.  It’s about his faith applying to all of us.  And Rick’s faith isn’t in accordance with the Bible.

You got that right, Mr. Christian Candidate, your faith is not in line with the Bible. Pretty bold statement, but I can back it up.

Jesus Christ taught us to love one another and to not judge.  Yet you judge homosexuals as sinners.  You judge, sir. If you are a Christian, there is only one who may judge and that is God.  You choose to judge and legislate in defiance of God.

Moving on, according to a 2009 story by John Henneberger, a staggering 87 percent of Texas communities exceed the US poverty rate.  In 2010, Texas lead the nation in the percentage of its population with Medicaid. In 2009, Texas lead the country in children without insurance.  In response to this, Rick Perry has cut the Texas budget, handed out tax breaks to the rich and, when was asked about income inequality, was quoted as saying “I don’t care about that.  If that’s what comes, I’ll take that criticism”.

Jesus Christ commanded us to take care of the sick and poor and to visit those in prison.  How can he care for them when he doesn’t care about them?

And let’s look at Rick Perry versus Jesus when it comes to those in prison.  Again, Jesus commanded us to visit those in prison. Rick Perry does the opposite — he has them killed. To the tune of 234 prisoners executed versus 31 commutations.

And how does Rick justify balance this against the 6thcommandment (Thou shalt not kill)?

“If you don’t support the death penalty and citizens packing a pistol, don’t come to Texas”, he wrote in his book lauding states’ rights, “Fed Up!”

In other words, he doesn’t justify it.  He simply ignores that commandment, and that one is kind of a biggie.  

So as you can see, our Christian candidate has little in common with the God he claims to worship.  And when you consider that he’s going to push this false version of Christianity on the nation, I think we should take pause and really ask ourselves if he is a real Christian or a Christian in name only.

Well, my answer to that is a quote from from Mohatma Ghandi that leaps readily to mind:  I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”.

 

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Comments

  1. blindman mcsqueezy says

    You are quite incorrect about the gay thing. 1 Cor 1:9 says that homosexual people (meaning those who are unrepentant and habitual and purposeful in the gay act) will not inherit God’s kingdom. So, there is no judging involved.

    It’s the same with murder (a point which you ARE correct about). Someone who murders (and is unrepentant) will likewise not merit God’s approval and will not be saved. It is not considered ‘judging’ another person when you know they are willfully, unrepentantly committing an act that the Bible condemns, and you acknowledge that such ones are not acceptable to God. The Bible is clear on that point, so there’s no sin in giving voice to what the Bible itself says point blank, whether it be murder, homosexuality, or any number of other sins mentioned by name in the Bible.

    The concept of ‘judging’ has more to do with how one views unbelievers in their graceless state (before coming to know God) and how one deals with fellow believers when it comes to matters of conscience, things that aren’t spelled out as clearly in the scriptures as homosexuality and murder.

  2. Blindman McSqueezy,
    Much like every argument I’ve every had with a Jehovah’s witness, all I have to do to refute your argument is to continue to read the Bible verse YOU quoted. I know what 1 Cor. 1:9 says. Do you know what comes after it? This:
    1 Corinthians 6:11 – “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (NIV)
    You see, all can be forgiven and justified in the name of the Lord if you choose to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
    Sorry pal. Between that and John 3:16, you lose.

    • Brooklyn Dame says

      Thank you for giving the unedited version, Tim. Selective Christianity and Bible-quoting is part of the reason we have so many divisions between people.

      • As a Christian myself, I feel it’s important to look at things and question them. Jesus is a god of love so it didn’t make sense to me that someone who is all about love would exclude a group of people from heaven for an arbitrary reason. So I did a little digging and Jesus didn’t let me down. John 3:16 says it all. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so that WHOMSOEVER shall believe in him, shall not die, but have eternal light.

        • blindman mcsqueezy says

          That is the nice soft squishy, feel-good thing that the churches teach these days, but there’s a lot more to it. Why would James 4:17 say that if a person “knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him”, if literally ALL that was required was faith? If it’s simply belief that does it, why would the Bible tell us to avoid all the different types of sin and traps of the Devil? Why would the Bible say that faith without works is dead in James 2:26? If all you need to do is believe and carry on with your life however you see fit, then the huge treasure trove of counsel and commands in the Bible is just wasted, since it’s telling us how to live in a way that allows us to have a good standing with God.

    • blindman mcsqueezy says

      Interesting. However, what YOU failed to realize is that in order to attain to that washed and sanctified state, the person committing the sin has to repent from the sin they were committing and STOP DOING IT. You don’t seriously believe that someone who knows that the Bible condemns homosexuality or murder, yet continues to do it anyway is considered by God to be clean, do you?

      The verse you yourself quoted says CLEARLY, “And that is what some of you WERE.” That means that the people being spoken of USED TO behave in the way that fornicators, idolaters, adulterers and homosexuals behave. PAST TENSE. They no longer behave that way. They repented, they turned around, they STOPPED DOING the sinful act. They are the ones who gained a good standing before God.

      That means that anyone who CONTINUES to behave in that way DOES NOT HAVE a good standing before God. This isn’t an opinion. It’s what the Bible states. It says in verse 10 of 1 Cor. 6 that “men who lie with men… WILL NOT INHERIT GOD’S KINGDOM.” Point blank and irrefutable.

      This isn’t something that’s really up for debate. No one who reads the Bible could ever say that God accepts worship from those who know His standards yet continue to reject them. If a person accepts Jesus, believes in him, puts faith in his ransom sacrifice and the promises that God has made and EXERCISES faith in those things, he would never purposely do the things that God has so clearly condemned in the Bible.

      The person may have been one of the worst sinners of all time before coming to know about God’s standards, but once he learns them, he abandons murder, homosexuality, stealing and all that stuff that is non-negotiable in God’s eyes.

      Anyone who thinks that God accepts all people regardless of their behavior hasn’t read the Bible. On the other hand, anyone who thinks that God REJECTS a person because of past behavior, regardless of their current state of repentance, also hasn’t read the Bible.

      • You completely ignored John 3:16. WHOMSOEVER shall believe. There is no asterisk.

        How do you know to stop doing something if you don’t know it’s a sin? The Bible is contradictory on this point.

        And again, I’m a big John 3:16 guy. My God doesn’t discriminate. What you choose to believe is different. I follow Jesus Christ, a man driven by love, not hatred. Jesus loved everyone. His best friend was a whore. He visited people in prison. My kind of guy.

        • blindman mcsqueezy says

          Many people like to point to John 3:16 and say that all that is required for salvation is to have faith. What most people don’t realize is that there is actually a lot more to it than that. Right there in the same chapter of John, at least two other requirements are mentioned.

          Verses 5 and 22 of John 3 show that baptism is a requirement. Verse 5 is particularly straightforward, saying that anyone who is not born from water and spirit (referring to the act of baptism and its symbolic significance) cannot enter in to the kingdom of God.

          In addition, John says in verse 36 of John 3 says that he that disobeys the Son (Jesus) will not see life. So, obedience to Jesus’ commands are a requirement in order to attain to everlasting life. What are some of these requirements that Jesus sets forth?

          The very next chapter of John contains an example of this. Jesus says in verse 24 of John 4 that we must worship God in spirit and truth. To worship God in truth, we must have accurate knowledge of the facts about the Bible, not mixing in false religious teachings when going about our worship. Logically, this would extend to our day-to-day behavior as well, telling us that we should be honest in dealing with each other, as much as we can.

          These are just a few examples of guidelines and commands given by Jesus himself and his close associates. Are these stipulations somehow optional? What would move a person to look at John 3:16 and decide that one single statement about having faith is the only thing that God looks for in a worshiper?

          The point here is that while John 3:16 was made popular by the churches and is indeed a very important part of worship, it’s not ALL that is necessary. JESUS HIMSELF sets out other requirements that MUST BE MET in order to attain to salvation. Many of these requirements can be found in the context directly related to John 3:16. If the churches had popularized one of these other verses instead, would you look at that verse and say that Jesus ONLY HAD IN MIND THAT ONE REQUIREMENT? Will you continue to look at just that one scripture and decide for yourself that it’s enough? There’s more to it, the Bible is clear on that, and it’s up to you to decide if you want to worship God the way He requires, or make up you own way.

          • You bring up an interesting point and here is where we must differ in opinion. I don’t believe that you must be baptized to be received in heaven. Requiring baptism means that no child who has never been exposed to Christianity can ever enter heaven. I reject this. It also means that no stillborn births can enter heaven. What sin have they committed? To say one must be baptized and part of the church to get into heaven. But what does Jesus say about the church?

            “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
            7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

            Mostly I simply reject the notion that my Christ is such a douchebag that he would not allow a good hearted Buddhist, Shinto, Hindu or Muslim into his midst simply because they got his name wrong. I’m a little more pragmatic with my faith. Also, had my children died on the way to the church to get baptized, I like to think they would have been received in heaven because they were children. If you think differently, you may have a more biblically accurate God, but he’s an asshole.

  3. blindman mcsqueezy says

    @Tim Shannon Quoting you, “As a Christian myself…” The word Christian means ‘follower of Christ.’ However:

    “John 3:16 says it all.” You accept what Jesus says at John 3:16 with no questions asked, yet you reject what he himself says in verse 5 of that same exact chapter. That is expressly NOT what a true Christian would do! Did you even read that verse yourself? It’s not some random person on the Internet’s opinion, it’s Jesus’ own words, written right there for all to read. If you accept the Bible as the word of God, you can’t decide you don’t like that bit, which is only a few verses away from the bit you’re claiming is the whole truth and nothing else matters. The Bible has over a thousand pages for a reason, you know. There’s a lot more to being a Christian than “have faith and do what you want!”

    Side point: (The scriptures about praying in private have nothing to do with whether baptism is a requirement, not sure what point you were trying to make there. However, it brings up another interesting idea. A person who puts on a show of worship to get the approval of men is not acceptable to God. Another requirement! Something other than just having faith is necessary! God requires your worship of Him to be pure, not motivated out of a desire to please men. It is quite possible for a person to have real faith, yet at the same time to desire the approval of others when it comes to worshiping God, but if he doesn’t fight that imperfect tendency, then God won’t accept his worship!)

    Anyway, moving on:

    You then go on to bring up the example of other people who die before having an opportunity to hear the gospel, and you conclude that because of that very real occurrence (which does happen over and over again, meaning there are millions or billions who fall into this category), then God is wrong, and then you call God a bunch of vulgar names! As if God has less common sense and moral decency than yourself. As if it’s not plainly obvious to anyone with a working brain that the clearly stated requirements in the Bible apply to those who have an able mind which is mature enough to make life decisions, and that, while they are in the state of having an able mind, have the opportunity to learn what God requires of them! Come on, man, give God a little credit here!

    I know that today’s churches don’t teach respect for God or the Bible or that you need to invest any of your own brainpower into learning what the Bible really teaches, but this is ridiculous!

    Seriously, if you refuse to even look at other verses, or claim that they’re somehow open to interpretation when they are point blank obvious, or claim that since they don’t match what your preconceived notions are then they must be wrong, it would probably be a good idea to re-examine your religious identity, since the whole idea behind being a Christian is to look to the Bible at what Jesus said about how to live our lives and then follow it.

    I’m really curious to know what you think about all the other things Jesus commanded his followers to do. Do you think they are just recommendations or suggestions? After Jesus ascended to heaven, his apostles wrote many more commands and requirements (These requirements of course apply to those who are of able mind and mature enough and come to know of them through the preaching work that Jesus himself commanded should take place- Matt 28:19, 20. This really shouldn’t have to be stated since it’s so obvious, but ok). These can be found in the Bible books after the four gospels, all the way to the end of the Bible. These are part of the Bible that God wanted us to have. The commands and counsel they contain are generally much more specific and extensive than most of Jesus’ commands, so there’s a lot less room for ‘interpretation’ with them. They are understood, however, to have been written down by the writers while under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, which means that God determined that the information contained there was important for us. Have you read them, and if so, do you reject them as well, since they go beyond simply having faith?

    • My only question to you is, if your own children died on their way to get baptized, would they be in hell?
      Do you apply your own standards to yourself? That’s where the wheat meets the chaff isn’t it Blindman? Answer that one for me.

      • blindman mcsqueezy says

        I must point out, all these arguments you keep coming up with, you’re not arguing with me. The Bible is so clear on what it says, if you had read the scriptures you would know the answer. You are refusing to accept the truth in the scriptures, and that’s on you. I am pointing out what’s there, you are explaining how your imperfect human mind can’t accept what God requires of you. See what Matthew 7:22 says.

        It’s these kinds of silly technical detail questions that prevent true understanding. Your question has already been answered above, but apparently you missed the point somehow.

        So here’s the answer, spoon-fed to you as if you were an infant and unable to employ your brain to read the statements above: If any person (not just children, your appeal to emotionalism is transparent and sad) had in their hearts dedicated themselves to God and died on their way to baptism, of course they would be saved if they had the right heart condition. God sees all circumstances and doesn’t hold it against a human when something like that prevents them from doing what they want to do in their service to Him. Once again, since you clearly missed the point, the requirements in the Bible apply to those who are able in mind and mature enough to make decisions, and who don’t have physical barriers preventing them from following the Bible’s commands. That doesn’t mean that, since SOME PEOPLE literally cannot meet the requirements that scriptures set out, that those requirements don’t apply to ANYONE, it just means that the vast majority should do what they can to meet them, and not judge the relatively small number of others who have different circumstances. This is so elementary and basic, I can’t believe you continue to harp on this point. This is irrelevant to the topic at hand though.

        There are always exceptions to the rules, and you can invent any number of hypothetical scenarios and ask if the rules LAID OUT IN THE BIBLE, not made up by me, apply. But you miss the bigger picture. You show that you don’t respect the Bible’s message, you refuse to answer perfectly valid questions about the plain statements in the Bible, you show your hard-heartedness and unwilling to comply with Bible standards. Like the Pharisees, you focus on the letter of the law and miss its intent. It’s easy to sit around and think up reasons why the commands in the Bible don’t apply to you, it’s harder to take those commands seriously and live your life the best way you can according to what you read in the Bible. Today’s churches promote the easy way, and your reasoning reflects that childish, human-centered view of Biblical standards.

        • My my, how Christian of you Blindman. Resorting to name calling. All I did was ask if the rules you apply to others appy to you as well.

          Then you came back and said the rules aren’t so hard and fast, once you had some skin in the game.

          Noted. At no time, did I call you names, but that’s cool. If that’s the way you roll in your church, fine.

  4. Brooklyn Dame says

    Sure he is…and it’s time he leaves. Maybe the more his hypocrisy is pointed out, the quicker he will leave the GOP’s race for the presidency. He’s not leadership material. At all.

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